CPU: (Delidded) Core I7 4770K @3.5Ghz (OC incoming.) GPU: GTX 1070 @2+Ghz Motherboard: Gigabyte Z87-HD3 RAM: Ballistix DDR3 OC'ed to 2000Mhz Power Supply: Corsair RM750X CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Storage: 240GB SSD + 2TB HDD Case: Corsair Crystal 460X With 5 RGB Fans Peripherals: • Corsair K95 RGB MX Brown • Corsair M65 • HyperX Cloud Stinger ↓ - My Laptop, If Anyone Happens To Care - ↓ HP Spectre X360 - i7 8560U - MX150 - 512GB SSD - 16GB DDR4 ' PC cosmetics and RGB are in some situations more important than The performance of the PC itself'* -Napoleon Bonaparte. CPU: (Delidded) Core I7 4770K @3.5Ghz (OC incoming.) GPU: GTX 1070 @2+Ghz Motherboard: Gigabyte Z87-HD3 RAM: Ballistix DDR3 OC'ed to 2000Mhz Power Supply: Corsair RM750X CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Storage: 240GB SSD + 2TB HDD Case: Corsair Crystal 460X With 5 RGB Fans Peripherals: • Corsair K95 RGB MX Brown • Corsair M65 • HyperX Cloud Stinger ↓ - My Laptop, If Anyone Happens To Care - ↓ HP Spectre X360 - i7 8560U - MX150 - 512GB SSD - 16GB DDR4 ' PC cosmetics and RGB are in some situations more important than The performance of the PC itself'* -Napoleon Bonaparte. Basically, I want to measure the amount of power my GTX 1070 is using in watts. If the TDP is 150W, and it's using 112% of power target, is it just using 150 * 1.12 Watts? (so 173 Watts?) or is more complicated then that. Basically, what software can I use / how do I figure out my GPU power usage. I would use an external power meter.

Run the PC without the GPU. Record the power usage with the CPU running a stress test. Then put the GPU back in and put both the CPU and GPU under full load and compare numbers. If you had a corsair link compatible PSU it would be easy. Not the best but would give you an idea.

So if I set the power limit to 90%, it uses 90% of the 150W TDP? (so 135W) No, TDP = how much heat the GPU puts out not how much power it consumes. Also, it is more complicated than just looking at the Power Target usage. It comes down to what voltage the GPU is running at the moment (that affects the power consumption the most), what kind of workload is the GPU doing and at what clocks. You may have the same clocks and voltage but different workload and the power consumption will be different. Also, power consumption is dependent on temperature.

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Higher temperature = less efficiency = more power consumption. No, TDP = how much heat the GPU puts out not how much power it consumes. Also, it is more complicated than just looking at the Power Target usage.

It comes down to what voltage the GPU is running at the moment (that affects the power consumption the most), what kind of workload is the GPU doing and at what clocks. You may have the same clocks and voltage but different workload and the power consumption will be different. Dammit, it's too complicated. In theory, isn't TDP roughly GPU power consumption?

Since electricity >>heat in the conversion? CPU: (Delidded) Core I7 4770K @3.5Ghz (OC incoming.) GPU: GTX 1070 @2+Ghz Motherboard: Gigabyte Z87-HD3 RAM: Ballistix DDR3 OC'ed to 2000Mhz Power Supply: Corsair RM750X CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Storage: 240GB SSD + 2TB HDD Case: Corsair Crystal 460X With 5 RGB Fans Peripherals: • Corsair K95 RGB MX Brown • Corsair M65 • HyperX Cloud Stinger ↓ - My Laptop, If Anyone Happens To Care - ↓ HP Spectre X360 - i7 8560U - MX150 - 512GB SSD - 16GB DDR4 ' PC cosmetics and RGB are in some situations more important than The performance of the PC itself'* -Napoleon Bonaparte. Dammit, it's too complicated. In theory, isn't TDP roughly GPU power consumption? Since electricity >>heat in the conversion? In theory, yes. But you have to take into account the temperatures since at higher temperatures you get more leakage and less efficiency which results in more power consumption.

Pascal is very efficient and there are many sensors near the core that can measure the power consumption up to the margin of an error. However, you would have to do that with multimeter as I am not aware of any software that takes advantage of these sensors. Another thing is that this may not account for the other components on the PCB like VRAM power consumption, VRM efficiency, a power consumption of fans, LED, etc. TDP stands for Thermal Design Power and DOES NOT EQUAL POWER CONSUMPTION. To get a rough idea of what kind of consumption a GPU will have, check the manufacturer's website. 98% of the time they will give you a rough estimate of power draw (and suggest a minimum PSU for the system). Figuring out the power draw of an overclocked card isn't something easy or accurate (unless you have custom tools to do that, which very few prosumers have).

If the card pulls, say, 100W total, a 115% power target might be roughly 115W, but not necessarily. Afterburner has an option to show power draw, but that's from doing the math (internally) on voltages and amperage, resulting in an estimate power draw (I say estimate because voltages and amperage can vary wildly from one moment to the other and the calculation isn't being done realtime, rather, it is done every x ). Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down. CPU: (Delidded) Core I7 4770K @3.5Ghz (OC incoming.) GPU: GTX 1070 @2+Ghz Motherboard: Gigabyte Z87-HD3 RAM: Ballistix DDR3 OC'ed to 2000Mhz Power Supply: Corsair RM750X CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Storage: 240GB SSD + 2TB HDD Case: Corsair Crystal 460X With 5 RGB Fans Peripherals: • Corsair K95 RGB MX Brown • Corsair M65 • HyperX Cloud Stinger ↓ - My Laptop, If Anyone Happens To Care - ↓ HP Spectre X360 - i7 8560U - MX150 - 512GB SSD - 16GB DDR4 ' PC cosmetics and RGB are in some situations more important than The performance of the PC itself'* -Napoleon Bonaparte. Remember kids, the only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down.

CPU: (Delidded) Core I7 4770K @3.5Ghz (OC incoming.) GPU: GTX 1070 @2+Ghz Motherboard: Gigabyte Z87-HD3 RAM: Ballistix DDR3 OC'ed to 2000Mhz Power Supply: Corsair RM750X CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X62 Storage: 240GB SSD + 2TB HDD Case: Corsair Crystal 460X With 5 RGB Fans Peripherals: • Corsair K95 RGB MX Brown • Corsair M65 • HyperX Cloud Stinger ↓ - My Laptop, If Anyone Happens To Care - ↓ HP Spectre X360 - i7 8560U - MX150 - 512GB SSD - 16GB DDR4 ' PC cosmetics and RGB are in some situations more important than The performance of the PC itself'* -Napoleon Bonaparte. For the record and back to your original question: the 970 is a 150W TDP card. Mine uses in GTA V stock 173W, but it is a g1 gaming running factory overclocked out of the box 1366MHz which is already pretty good.

I can overclock mine to about 1492 MHz stable in GTA V, while running +50mV on the core, 112% power limit and +300MHz on the ram. In this config it has a max power draw according to hwinfo of 196W, which is 13% more. But I'm not anywhere near the official power limit of the card, i only use 70% of what the card is capable off according to msi afterburner. And simpy increasing the power limit won't use more power if everything else stays the same. For the record and back to your original question: the 970 is a 150W TDP card. Mine uses in GTA V stock 173W, but it is a g1 gaming running factory overclocked out of the box 1366MHz which is already pretty good.

I can overclock mine to about 1492 MHz stable in GTA V, while running +50mV on the core, 112% power limit and +300MHz on the ram. In this config it has a max power draw according to hwinfo of 196W, which is 13% more. But I'm not anywhere near the official power limit of the card, i only use 70% of what the card is capable off according to msi afterburner.

And simpy increasing the power limit won't use more power if everything else stays the same. I would say it does match. 1080ti is 250W TDP (FE with 1582MHz boost clock). My card boosts to 2038MHz with a +700MHz offset on VRAM as well. After playing Witcher 3 for an hour I spiked to a 334W max. Usually, I stayed at around 290W-310W. 127% power limit.

As you probably know by now, the PS4 is essentially a $400 PC. It has an x86 PC CPU, a standard PC GPU, and the same kind of RAM that you’d find on a PC graphics card.

There are a few custom chips on the PS4’s motherboard, but for the most part it’s just a normal PC with some custom software. This led me to wonder could you actually build a comparable PC for $400?

More importantly, given how Sony has crippled the PS4’s home theatre functionality, is it possible to build a PC for $400 that is actually better for games and as a living room media box? To answer that question, we first need to agree on the PS4’s hardware specification. It has a motherboard, an AMD APU (8-core Jaguar CPU + GPU on the same chip), 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, a 500GB hard drive, and a PSU. The PS4 also has WiFi and Bluetooth — and we’ll also need a case, of course. I think it’ll be very hard to build a PC with the same specification for $400, but we’ll see. DM 387 Micro ATX case: Not quite a PS4, but as close as we’re gonna get for $400 From the get-go, we have a problem: The APU in the PS4 is unique. It pairs an 8-core Jaguar CPU with, essentially, the Radeon HD 7850.

The best AMD APU currently on the market (the Richland A10-6800K) has about one third of the processing power of the PS4’s GPU. There are no 8-core Jaguar parts on the market — only the quad-core Kabini A6-5200, which is paired with an even weaker GPU than the A10. Kaveri, when it, will be a closer match — but the PS4 will still have around twice the graphics grunt. In short, we’re forced to use a CPU and discrete GPU. It just got a lot harder to hit our $400 target.

The other big problem is the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, which has an utterly insane peak bandwidth of 176 gigabytes per second. There is no way to build a PC with such a configuration. In the PS4, the RAM is used by both the CPU and GPU in a, providing a sizable speed boost — an option that isn’t available to the PC world until Kaveri launches. It’s important to note that even if we could slot some GDDR5 RAM into a PC motherboard, it would probably be much more expensive than conventional DDR3. Can you build a PS4-alike PC for $400? We’ll be using Newegg for component prices, because that’s our components supplier of choice when we build new rigs here in the ExtremeTech bunker. • Motherboard: ($50).

A no-frills motherboard, but you get integrated Gigabit Ethernet and 6-channel audio. It only supports DDR3 1600 RAM, but that’s a compromise we’re forced to make. • CPU: ($50). This chip is only a dual-core, but for lightly threaded workloads it has comparable theoretical performance to the PS4’s 8-core Jaguar CPU. • GPU: ($140, or $120 after rebate). • RAM: ($65).

This stuff is DDR3 1600 — which has a fraction of the bandwidth of the PS4’s GDDR5. • Storage: ($55). 500GB of 2.5-inch storage goodness.

• Other: ($11) • Case and power supply: ($45). This bad boy is cheap, includes a PSU, and can stand on its side — like the PS4! Total cost: $416, or $396 after rebate So, there you have it: It is just about possible to build a PS4-comparable PC for $400. You make a lot of concessions, though: We haven’t included the price of an operating system, nor a keyboard/mouse/gamepad. The DM-387 case is a lot bigger than the PS4.

There’s no optical drive, so you’re forced to load games via USB or digitally download them via. But everyone has an old copy of Windows XP/7 and a spare Xbox 360 or DualShock gamepad kicking around, right? Sorry, I didn’t mean to cause controversy.

I suppose that science and math have changed, and perhaps there is truly IS more to learn. I have tried to keep up to an extent, but some subjects just don’t hold my interest. I’m 73 now, in decent health, but somewhat inactive because I sprained my back falling several months ago. It’ll get better. I’m unconcerned. I would like to tell you a bit of my story as I so desired to hear my grandfathers, but he was too tightly sealed to be informative. This isn’t the place for it, too public.

If you want more info, some tips on college and high school, or have questions an elderly person could provide. I could do that.

Post again and let me know and perhaps there is a way to privately send my email address. I do have a PhD in behavioral psychology and an undergrad degree in business. I was once a scientist.

People didn’t graduate at that age. I graduated at that age because I was not an average person. If i correctly recall the graduation age was 17-18. Engineering has been extensive since the 1700’s, and while there were no personal computers, there were the big IBM’s and mechanical computers. I worked on one of the mechanical machines as a debugger–which meant actually removing bugs caught between the contacts! This will interest you.

I got my first personal computer when I was 39. It was an 8086 and clocked out at something like 4.77Mhz. Had a huge 10MB drive, and you watched the text slowly scroll up the black and green screen. I had several of those. Next, in about 1986 I built myself a 12Mhz 286 (later called the brain dead chip) with something like a 50MB disk.

Back then those machines were at least $2500. My last new computer was that 286.

They began to proliferate and I could find them used, or find the parts. Good luck to you and thanks for causing me to recall some good memories. I would agree with that, but I’m not sure about your age, sure I’ve seen lots of 11 year old’s doing javascript, C++ (Hell, you can find books of these), and I learned lua from the ComputerCraft mod at 10. Although I can agree with all of that I wanted to check anyway. I mean the only thing that seemed iffy that an 11 year old can type 192 WPM. Which I guess the normal teenagers at are about 49-68 WPM. Which is inaccurate but still the highest it can go for a teenager is 99-161 WPM.

I mean in logic, your eyes probably can’t even track that if you need to look at the keyboard. (Assuming most tweens/teens do, but some don’t like me) “You know? I have written two books and over 260 thousand words. Guess my age; 9.

If you haven’t even finished your so called “book,” don’t presume your age.” Looking at your profile this was 7 months ago. Sure I got nothing against young authors, but one month later to this comment here you said you were 11. My question is how did you turn 11 in a month. That was rhetorical; you can’t. Assuming you can answer by telling your actual age or admit that you lied.

As smart as you make yourself out to be you underestimate the ablitiles of the Human mind. I’m 19years old. Im half way though with Quantum mechanics, I skipped highschool got a GED at 16. I don’t know my exact IQ. I have autism but no one has ever noticed because I’m not socially handicapped. I have a invention product in process now.

( that’s a secret ) I’m finished All my Hebrew Lessons, I have a feeancia, I work, and I’m going to school for welding just to hold me over till I get a Degree in ether as a scientist or a engineer. I’m never gonna stop learning and I want to be the smartest man in the world. And I’m very spiritual. Im only 30 but my first computer was a 386 or a 486 i think the 486 with like 16mb ram i think, and maybe an 80mb hard drive (IDE), later on i moved up to a slot 1 slot (a) slot processor which was an amd duron 800mhz cpu, with the fan on the side of it. And i think it had 512mb of ram, i remember buying an agp graphics card at walmart, i believe it was an Nvidea Geforce 5200FX (256MB) upgraded from a Nvidea Geforce 4 128mb. Anyways, brings back good memories, i actually played World of Warcraft on the 800mhz duron cpu, with 512mb ram, which i upgraded to 768MB.

Brings back good memories •. Certainly Tony, probably my facebook page is best.

It’s under John M. Cook, and you will see my avatar (just as the one here) when the page is correct. There are many named John M.

Cook, so be thorough. My apologies, I sometimes am on line with Discus, but more often not. Sorry to have missed you. Wait, I am presuming you can go to my Facebook page but in all honesty I am not familiar with Facebook. If I am incorrect perhaps you have a suggestion.

I would not think you wish this public. Psychological concerns sometimes cause embarrassment, and I understand the need for privacy. As I am retired, I enjoy assisting where I can, but that doesn’t mean I always can. Your choice, pick a place, or email me at jmc.universe (at) Google.(you know the extension) I do this to prevent spam, however my Google acct.

Contains almost all spam as I often provide access. Certainly Tony, probably my facebook page is best. It’s under John M. Cook, and you will see my avatar (just as the one here) when the page is correct. There are many named John M.

Cook, so be thorough. My apologies, I sometimes am on line with Discus, but more often not.

Sorry to have missed you. Wait, I am presuming you can go to my Facebook page but in all honesty I am not familiar with Facebook.

If I am incorrect perhaps you have a suggestion. I would not think you wish this public. Psychological concerns sometimes cause embarrassment, and I understand the need for privacy. As I am retired, I enjoy assisting where I can, but that doesn’t mean I always can. Your choice, pick a place, or email me at jmc.universe (at) Google.(you know the extension) I do this to prevent spam, however my Google acct. Contains almost all spam as I often provide access. How bout you go fuck yourself?

Yes, you do that you creepy stalker little fuck. Good bye:) You know quite literally nothing about me, cause I’m not about to prove anything to an obvious internet troll and stalker. You go around reading my posts? Get a life loser.

You don’t know what parts are true, which are false, you know nothing. So you actually can’t call me a lier cause you don’t know what the truth is. You first need to know the facts, and the truth in order to point your finger and call someone a lier. Maybe I’m 14, maybe I’m 16, maybe I’m 80.

Maybe my name isn’t Hailey, maybe it’s Bob. YOU DON’T FUCKING KNOW, A N Y T H I N G. Use your brain if you have one. There’s multiple problems with this article, not just the case, PSU, and optical disc drive. First off, optimization and overhead cost of the OS are way higher for MIcrosoft.

Obviously Sony is holding more resources from developers right now until they finalize the OS, so RAM is probably better on Windows than the PS4, but CPU and GPU overhead is almost definitely not. Beyond that, the PS4 provides a low level API for their GPU, while PCs do not.

I know people will scream Mantle, but that’s a pipe dream for gaming. Mantle will be great for corporate situations where you have a ton of PCs and few hardware profiles.

It won’t be great for every GPU on the market. The time it would take to optimize for every system would make development time ridiculous without a team so large that the game would lose money.

Maybe they can optimize for the most popular GPUs, but that’s as far as it goes. You’re looking at about twice as much power from the GPU due to optimization (that percent comes from GPU manufacturers themselves who say about half the power of a GPU is lost due to the wrapper (or graphics API like DirectX and OpenGL). So the 7850 in the PS4 just became a 7970 in PC terms which is considerably more expensive (around $300). This article is also assuming that sales prices will stay around forever, which is just ridiculous. Not to mention that he’s using extremely cheap parts putting this PC together and many of them have much higher failure rates than normal (the PSU for instance that won’t even work with this build).

PS4 uses a Seagate hard drive. That’s one of the best even if it is 500 GB.

This guy is using the cheapest hard drive on the market. Basically, Sony built the PS4 to last and this guy built his PC to run temporarily and match the PS4 specs on paper (with some very huge caveats). This system doesn’t match the PS4 in anyway. 1 GB of GDDR5 and 8 GBs of 1600 DDR3 will NOT match 8 GBs of GDDR5 for gaming. His attempt to say they’re comparable is hilarious. The PS4 is capable of insanely higher texture quality in games than the RAM he chose. He’s looking at missing textures in games (huge black spots over wireframes, they’re ugly as hell), while the PS4 is looking at highly detailed textures everywhere and max quality reflections to boot.

There’s not a comparison. He has no idea what he’s talking about. They aren’t equal. Not even close. While I’m not a fan of the build in the article, you’ve got a lot of facts wrong in your lengthy post as well. 1) I don’t think you understand what optimization actually is.

PC GPUs do not lose half their performance in API overhead, provided the developer got their Certificate of Completion from their local CC. Its more around 5-10%, depending on the skill of the developers. A 7850 will not offer the same capabilities as a 7970 no matter how much console gamers want it to. If it did, BF4, Watch Dogs, etc, would not have to run at 900p rather than FHD 1080. They will optimize their games in the same way they optimized for the 360, lowering the resolution and frame rate targets. GTA5, for example, runs at less than 1024×600 with a frame rate ~25fps. I’m not going to add much about Mantle because that’d be entirely speculation, but to say it’ll only work in corporate settings with limited hardware configurations is plain dumb.

AMD has clearly stated it will work with all GCN based parts, which means any Radeon HD 7xx0 series, HD 8xx0 series, R7, and R9 parts will work with it. 2) Hard drives. Ask 10 people what the best HDD maker is and you’ll get 11 different responses. There’s many people that would call Seagate drives garbage, especially after their buyout of Maxtor.

3) 1GB of GDDR5 on the card, and 8GB of DDR3 are independent and not shared. Since neither the 7850 nor the dual core Celeron will saturate their respective buses, they’ll be fine. The PS4 is not capable of drawing ‘insanely’ high testure quality either, unless you consider 2010’s textures ‘insanely’ high. I should also point out that even though the card selected by the author won’t fit in the microATX case due to the low profile slots, the PSU can actually power it easily enough. So long as its connected to the 12v2 rail, 13A is enough.

The 400W ‘requirement’ is added for people with little technical experience, such as console gamers. Now, I do see a couple R7 250s nad Radeon 7750s in low profile configs at Newegg, so those could be installed in that case. An R7 250 is considerably weaker than the 7850 though, even though it does consume less power. Matching the PS4’s hardware in a PC build at the same price point at this point in time is almost impossible. Even if you assume the builder already has a monitor, keyboard/mouse, and OS license. You could game with Linux, but if you’re expecting that to be a viable gaming machine in 2014, you’re going to be very disappointed.

Have to revisit this again in 2015. Matching the Xbox One is an easier, and readily attainable, goal though. Its 500 dollar price tag, combined with a much weaker GPU and much slower RAM make it relatively easy. PCPartspicker is filled with 500-600 dollar builds. Matching it for the price may be difficult, but the PS4 is capped at those specs for that price. And it’s hardly a full PC.

Its limitations are disgusting, and it uses a weak CPU. The PC that I built 3 years ago is in every way superior save the GPU, which is only slightly slower. The computer I built last year when i handed my old computer down to my wife is more powerful than the PS4 by a lot. And before you say, “well yeah, but you just spent 2 grand on a couple computers and the PS4 is only $400.” Think about this, you mentioned a monitor for that setup, why would you assume someone does not have a monitor but assume they have a TV? They most likely have both.

And even if they don’t already have a monitor, TVs usually cost a lot more than monitors, and that has to be added into the cost of the PS4 as well. Also, most people will have a computer too, just maybe not a gaming rig. Those still cost money. Then there’s games, you can’t really get free PS4 games. There are a TON, and I mean a TON of really good free games for the PC. There’s also most of the same titles for PC that are on the consoles.

So while you might not be able to directly build a PC box that’s a replica of the PS4 spec wise, by building a gaming PC instead of a PS4, you’re saving money. “By building a gaming PC instead of a PS4, you’re saving money.” No you aren’t. You just aren’t. If anything, you’re opening yourself up to the world of constant hardware upgrades, and even if you start from a “free” base PC that you already have, you will have spent $2000 on graphics cards, motherboards, RAM modules, SSDs, Watercooling parts and CPUs before you even realise it. The PC is the PREMIUM games platform. You can get performance better than the consoles, sure, but you have to pay for it. A good gaming PC is a PS4 + a TV, +a PC for other stuff than gaming, +no free games, +games cost more than PC games.

Where do you save money, compare a decent gaming PC (when I say PC it includes all the required peripheral) with a PS4, well you get more with a PC, plus guess what? You can also play games on PC, as well as create your own, program, navigate internet, MOD games (no mods allowed on ANY console, but on PC you can and it is allowed for many games). 2000$ is more than enough to build a very decent gaming pc, and in that price you have a mouse, a keyboard, and a monitor. The TV doesn’t come with a PS4. Count the price for a decent TV, HDMI cables, etc •.

While I don’t disagree that you’ll spend money to upgrade over time $2000 is an extreme estimate for what you need to build a quality gaming rig. Hell you can buy a pre-built gaming rig with very good specs for less than $2K. If you have a base PC to start you can easily build a decent gaming rig for $1000 and that would include a mobo, graphics card, CPU, ram and SSD drive. The problem you’ll have with a console is that you’ll be stuck with those hardware specs for several years.

Console games are good and developers do squeeze a lot out of the platforms but with no way to upgrade the graphics or CPU games will lag after a few years.That doesn’t mean there won’t be good games that look great it just means that games targeted for the PC market will have the advantage of being designed for more powerful hardware in a couple of years. I have yet to play a PC game that is more fun or looks better than the Console Version. The number of PC exclusives is marginal to all the Console exclusives. And games on consoles don’t lag over time, they get better at the end of their cycle because developers keep getting better with the hardware. And Consoles are a third the price of PC’s and don’t require you to have Virus and backup software. And a Console will never just lock up like a PC will during a game and you never have to worry about upgrading or dealing with Video drivers and what not. I would agree that for the most part console games look as good as PC games, though that is not always the case and some times they don’t scale on the big screen all that well.

As for exclusives, if you’re going there then you’ll need 3 consoles to get access to all of those exclusive-to-console games and when you upgrade to PS4 or Xbox One you’ll need to repurchase those games unless you intend to keep your old system around. Consoles may have been cheaper than PCs but they are no longer 1/3 the price. At $400-500 they are half the price of a decent gaming machine and if you consider that you will have a PC and you’ll probably spend at least $350-500 on that you haven’t really saved all that much buying a console in addition to the PC. At least with a gaming PC you can get double duty out of the hardware cost. I hate to tell you, consoles do lock up. I was playing AC:Black Flag the other day and it locked up twice.

Likewise nearly every time I turn on my Xbox I am upgrading the software for either the system or some application or game I want to run. And with respect to Xbox One it runs a paired down version of Windows and a virtualization layer similar to Hyper-V so get ready to do driver upgrades and be ready for lockups just like a PC. And do you think I can’t do updates on my PC in the background while I sleep? You have consistently made a case for consoles based primarily on a single game and a series of unsupportable assertions such as consoles don’t lock up, you have to clean virsuses off your PC before you can play, consoles don’t require updates, and PCs cost a lot more than consoles. In every case I have shown that you are wrong. Consoles do lock up, do need upgrades, can’t do everything a PC can do and when you consider that you’ll be buying a PC anyway in addition to your console you are actually spending as much if not more than just buying a PC that is gaming capable.

The only valid argument you have is that GTA V doesn’t run on PCs and oh, by the way, it also doesn’t run on the current crop of consoles like Xbox One or PS4 so how valid is that argument? You are the last person in the world to be talking about reality which appears to be something you have little contact with.

Ok dude that’s because you don’t know what games are even out. I’ll stop and when you realize I laugh when you say 1700. Sorry about your virus maybe you should learn to protect a PC first. It only does everything!! Oh and the greatest thing tells me you need to learn more about a PC.

You don’t worry about Upgrading because the graphics and games never get better. Plus all the damn games were made on a PC to begin with. The games hang up because they make the one for the Console and port it back to PC.

Why because how could a company make money If you constantly have a better system. They aren’t going to put cool games out on a system that is obviously better when would your urge to buy be. Let see, I can always save money on PC. Do you even know what a consumer which you are is suppose to do???? Find the very best product at the lowest price. If that ain’t PC you’re smoking your life and please learn about shit before you talk about it. I know this is dated an all, but I wanted to reply to you so here goes.

Its basic preference. If you want something that will most likely just work go with the consoles, if you want variety and versatility go PC. I opted for a gaming PC to play PC games – Dota 2, Starcraft, various other MMOs, and other free to play games and indie games that aren’t on any consoles, also the mods for Skyrim is a plus. The gaming PC also doubles as a video render machine and a very good work station. It just depends on what you want to do and play. I have converted many console players over to gaming on PC.

My friends love the PCs I made for them and they always play on using Steam. Most of them swapped over to play Day Z and try other free to play games and indie titles. The PC gaming library has something for everyone. PC as a platform by far has the most exclusives out of all the consoles combined, they are just less advertised. Most consoles nowadays – PS4 & Xbox 1, you just play alone on it with one controller, the same experience can be had on a PC that is more versatile.

I have a Nintendo for parties, everyone loves Smash bros, Mario party, and Mario kart. Nintendo is good for parties, can’t go wrong with Nintendo when having friends and family over. Far better to just keep buying consoles (and/or warranties) as they burn out or Co’s just decide to go next-gen then, hey? Honestly now that I’ve heard PS4 isn’t Backwards-Compatible (& that you’ll have to pay/get PS+ just to play online like XBOX Gold) I am switching to PC (as much as I loathe Windows8).

The PS2 & 3 were horribly flawed/built to die as a servicing scamI’m sick of seeing the thousands I’ve spent on games just to be unable to use them after a year or two (slightly exaggerating, I know) when I can still play the original Oregon Trail from my childhood/1980’s (completely true). WORST decision SCEA EVER made!!! *EDIT* Let’s also not forget that due to their finicky address/billing-verification system I couldn’t even USE my PS+ Free Trial, as although I have a perfectly fine Credit Card, SCEA’s system won’t recognize it/allow me to proceed/redeem voucherso if they made PS+ a pre-req to play (at least online) on PS4, there’s NO guarantee you can even USE the damned thingpretty silly-maybe they ought to actually start LISTENING to their customers else they lose them (like they did with me)especially as PC can utilize mods/console commands for a richer, less limited game experience~ •. Far better to just keep buying consoles (and/or warranties) as they burn out or Co’s just decide to go next-gen then, hey? Honestly now that I’ve heard PS4 isn’t Backwards-Compatible (& that you’ll have to pay/get PS+ just to play online like XBOX Gold) I am switching to PC (as much as I loathe Windows8). The PS2 & 3 were horribly flawed/built to die as a servicing scamI’m sick of seeing the thousands I’ve spent on games just to be unable to use them after a year or two (slightly exaggerating, I know) when I can still play the original Oregon Trail from my childhood/1980’s (completely true).

WORST decision SCEA EVER made!!! *EDIT* Let’s also not forget that due to their finicky address/billing-verification system I couldn’t even USE my PS+ Free Trial, as although I have a perfectly fine Credit Card, SCEA’s system won’t recognize it/allow me to proceed/redeem voucherso if they made PS+ a pre-req to play (at least online) on PS4, there’s NO guarantee you can even USE the damned thingpretty silly-maybe they ought to actually start LISTENING to their customers else they lose them (like they did with me)especially as PC can utilize mods/console commands for a richer, less limited game experience~ •. It’s amazing how many times these stupid comments get made and it’s more amazing how many people agree. “opening yourself up to the world of constant hardware upgrades” You upgrade only if you have weak hardware. Since the consoles are already moderate if not low end in comparison, you’d only need to upgrade if you want to exceed the current consoles.

It’s not a requirement and gaming can be enjoyed even with entry level hardware (for years). “you will have spent 2000$ on graphics cards” the PS4 uses a 150-200$ graphics card, at it’s peak,it was about 250$. The Xbox uses an even cheaper card. These cards will last as long as the consoles and if anything, will support backwards comparability and probably max any last generations games in graphical settings. “motherboards” You don’t upgrade these, they are the base of a computer.

If you buy a motherboard, it’s to build a new computer. “RAM” Even 4GB is enough, you get the rest of the RAM from your graphics card. 8 is now the standard moving to 16, but it’s overkill. “SSD” Consoles don’t have that, there are also Hybrid drives at about 1TB for 100$ that outperform any mechanical drive that the consoles use.

“Watercooling parts” Unless you run a multiple graphics cards rig, it really isn’t needed. For something as simple as a gaming rig, one at a console level, air cooling is more than adequate (and cheap). So to recap, yet another non requirement.

“CPU’s” Even Intel’s 2012 dualcore CPU can match performance with the AMD’s APU because most performance is based on single thread calculations. You could even buy a new CPU at the level of an i3 for about 130$ and it will probably outperform the consoles in raw CPU performance. It also helps that the lowest speeds for a 130$ i3 (newest generation) are normally well above 3ghz while the consoles run at 1.6-1.7ghz. “The PC is the PREMIUM games platform” It has the capability to be better and it has so many sales that games are almost always cheaper. You can get games like Skyrim, Saints Row 4, Tomb Raider, etc commonly for 5$ on Steam while on console you’d be lucky to find them for 20-40$ There are also humblebundles that often sell an assortment of games for 1$. “You can get performance better than consoles, sure, but you pay for it” This is a stretch.

It doesn’t take that much to beat the current generation consoles. The PS4 at least gives you a decent amount of power for the cost of 400$. While the Xbox can easily be beaten at the same 400$ pc. I really do hate how people keep spreading the same stupidity as if it’s true.

Repeating it doesn’t make it true, it only makes you one of many stupid sheep. You can spend a lot of money on a PC, but you don’t have to.

Stock CPU coolers are plenty good as long as you don’t overclock and keep the dust bunnies in check. You also don’t need an SSD.

If you want faster HDD access you can use raid 0. You will spend more money building a PC comparable to a PS4, but PS4 games are more expensive (thus sony is willing to loose 60$ per console). Also, steam sales. Eh, I guess both have their pros and cons and the grass will always be greener on the other side (your side if you’re a fanboi). This from Official Xbox Magazine Reports are coming in from owners of older Xbox 360 consoles, who say that playing Grand Theft Auto 5 causes their machine to crash. A thread on unofficial site GTAforums suggests that owners of a 2006-2008 model Xbox 360 cannot get the game to run smoothly, despite multiple installs.

This from VG24/7 GTA 5 PS3 install problems: Sony offers another potential fix Grand Theft Auto 5 owners have experienced a slew of installation problems on both PS3 and Xbox 360. This from The Guardian GTA V Online: Rockstar launches update to fix PS3 problems Free download should solve many of the problems PlayStation 3 players are facing – and an Xbox 360 fix is coming soon Granted most of these articles are a couple of months old but the problems did exist and updates were offered along with work-arounds. Contrary to your claim that consoles don’t crash and don’t need upgrades. GTA 5, it’s a great game and most people Love it, it sold a Bazzilian Copies so that speaks for it’s self. I am sorry i can not even consider playing games on a Laptop, i guess for someone who travels a lot it’s better than nothing, but it sure wouldn’t be my first choice, probably not even my third choice. Oh by he way one of the 3 Xbox360’s I have along with my XB1 is a 2007 Xbox 360 Arcade, yes a freaking Arcade, and it plays GTA 5 just fine and it has never RED ringed or had any part in it replaced and i have used daily for 7 years. It’s called don’t put it in an enclosed area where it can’t breath proper and get fresh air.

But if you are Happy with your PC than more power to you, it just doesn’t do much for me anymore other than internet and Video Watching. It’s Sad cause i spent $ 900.00 and built it myself.

I dont know if you, or any one else here realizes, most pc’s for gaming dont cost 2 grand. Id say 600-800 dollars for most peoples PC. And that kind of pc will play games great. Now for a 2000 dollar pc like mine, you get soomething that looks like this: NVidia GTX 780 Classified, AMD FX8350 8 Core Processor @ 4.6 GHZ 16 gigs 2133 MHZ Ram and a 250 GB Samsung Evo 840, plus custom perpipherals and other essentials. What that gives me, is the ability to DRASTICLY out perform the Ps4 and Xbox One. Not only can I play my games with Anti Aliasing, Anisoptric filtering and 4k resolutions on mulitple monitors. I have blazing fast load times, steady 60+ fps gaming, access to modding and tweaking.

I also have backwards and FORWARDS compatability. See, when a new gen of consoles comes out I can play games from that gen on this machine still. I can also play games from 10 years ago if I want to as well. And I can do computer stuff like video and sound editing, better browsing and flash games! Consoles are dedicated to one thing, for the most part, and thats gaming. When you buy a pc, you are buying versitility and utility.

Its a tool as much as it is a toy. You can make money off of it, you can learn from it. It all boils down to, anything a console can do, a PC can do. And more flexibly. Yeah, this rig is an absolute beast.

I put it together back in october and it rips apart any game out there. Although, I am kind of regretting the processor. Its poowerful for its power, but I wish it had a bit more oopmf.

I may OC it a few hundred mhz more though. Most of what I have is overkill though, but pc gaming and building is a hobby of mine, so I dont mind dropping a few thousand dollars on something I love.:D And Ive had my fair share of 400 dollar gaming rigs, and they arent bad. They wont break and fps records, but they will play most things decently on low/medium settings.:D •.

Lmao, I’d be a massive disappointment if I couldn’t squeeze out an $1800 PC that kicks the shit out of a PS4, no doubt. Was just riffing on Prat’s quote here: “And before you say, ‘well yeah, but you just spent 2 grand on a couple computers and the PS4 is only $400.” Think about this, you mentioned a monitor for that setup, why would you assume someone does not have a monitor but assume they have a TV?' ” Personally, I have both an r9 280x + i5-4590 build and a PS4 use the PC a lot more than the PS4, as you might imagine, haha •. Your Argument is Mute.

You can’t even get GTA 5 on PC yet and most people have finished it on console and are replaying it. By the time you get it GTA 6 will be coming for PS4. You can’t do crap on a $ 400.00 PC, who are you trying to kid??? The case and power supply is going to cost you $150.00 alone, than you got to buy Memory that’s another $ 50.00, than a Graphics card which will cost at least $ $90.00. Than you got to buy a CPU at $ 120.00 than a MB.

What about the Hard Drive??? That’s another $ 75.00. Then in Two years you be wanting to upgrade, that’s Hundreds more. WTF, How much mioney do you want to spend playing fucking Games Dude??? Get Fucking real. We PC gamers we will save a ton of money afterwards, over the about 5-7 years life span of a console, on games. Buy video cards, you get free games, Can also come with other parts.

How much money we want to spend? Well, building a gaming PC has its cost, but it is considered a hobby, a passion. The first PC will cost more, after that it’s mostly upgrades. Any PC 5 years old or less will probably play most of today’s games. Replace only the video cards, it will cost much less money in the long run than upgrading your console every 5 years or so.

A good video cards is no more then 300$, and you do not have to upgrade that often. Until PCI-e 2.0 become incompatible, an i7 920 nehalem processor is still decent to play games. If you are building from scratch, this is when it will cost more money, but you might only need to change the video card afterwards, and you do not need the latest tech. One copy of Windows will be good for probably 10 years or so, no need to change that. Excellent response, knowledgeable hardware guy!

I have a different plan and it has worked for the last 30 years for me. I get a hell of a PC, two years or less behind the times but highly capable, fast, loaded with RAM and for less than a third of new cost. I try to find a junker with no HDD. I want the PS, the Mobo, CPU, GPU, and other upgraded components.

I can buy that dirt cheap. And add it to my box. I am not in competition with anyone for the fastest or latest PC and that satisfies me. I think buying new is a trap that keeps people spending vast amounts of cash. I can currently run anything I want, at top frame rate, I have an i7 CPU, screaming GPU, 16GB fast RAM and water cooling. The O/C CPU runs at 4.46 Ghz and I have 3TB WD storage.

Cost $250 bucks American. It can take some searching to find these deals, but there have always been out there.

I disagree the best is to buy new components and assemble them yourself, but I don’t overclock with modern quad or even dual cores my cpu is never the choke point its usually memory and how the motherboard get access to it. I find best is to get a really good motherboard and use DDR3 I haven’t noticed a real world difference in the memory just how good the motherboard is at getting to it. So I say Buy Best motherboard, then better than mid cpu, last season mid high gpu, cheap but a lot memory, good power supply, and pay attention to watts. Most miss this but a well run system shouldn’t produce a lot of heat use a ton of juice, which what o/c is. I pay way below average and the system I’m type this On Is way better then the article’s joke system.

MSI 880GMA-E45 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 got better now this was bought as a set $95. Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, AMD Athlon II X3 455 Rana 3.3GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX455WFGMBOX set $143. EVGA GeForce GT 640 2GB $72 So $ 310 dvd rw $12 The above was all new So the article is not well thought out. There’s also the power supply and hard drives but I don’t remember what I paid. I remember I bought the power supply for next to nothing at a circuit city going bankrupt sale though same for hard drive. I added your system plus the HD and power supply and it came to $ 482.00.

So you went over budget by $82.00 and your still short a game pad, Monitor, mouse and keyboard, and you have subpar CPU that won’t even touch the 8 core Jag in the PS4. Last but not least your DDR3 Memory won’t compete against the PS4’s GDDR5 memory either. And the last is, if you do spend all this time putting that all together and all the components actually work together as they should, if so, your still not able to play GTA 5 for many months down the road, and all the hot gaming titles that are exclusive to consoles. Sure there are a few PC titles for PC’s only, but their far and few between.

And before you even get 4 years down the road you will be tearing that PC apart and doing a bunch of upgrades that will cost hundreds of dollars more just so you can come online and brag how your playing at 90 FPS on a PC Monitor that can actually only display 60 FPS. Yeah ok than. Well in 2008, 6 years ago, I spend $934 on a complete gaming rig. This included case, mobo, CPU, memory, hard drive, GPU card, DVD, and power supply.

I did upgrade the GPU in 2011 and added 4 more gig of memory for about $200. So over that time period I spent $1134 on hardware which I am still using today and still plays all the games I bought over that 6 year period. I could probably get another year out of it by upgrading the video card again but I am likely to do a more complete refresh. Compare this to the Xbox 360s I bought in 2010 for $200 plus an extra $100 for a hard disk and now I’ll have to spend another $500 to get the next gen so we’re at $800 there AND you have to calculate in the Xbox Live cost of approximately $50/year to get access to all the online features and that adds another $200 (2010-2013) so we’re at $1000 versus $1134. So it’s not that big of a price difference AND I still have to have a PC for other things like word processing, spreadsheets and other applications I use every day. I have a decent PC right now, but I am always looking for something better, or the parts that I want for next years machine. I watch craigs list, keep an eye on the free advertizing papers, and I ask shops about unsold inventory and manufacturers if they have anything unsalable by way of scratched seconds.

Keep that up for three years and they begin to call you. It takes a bit of effort, but only a bit.

This one I got as parts of five or six scrapped machines and the CPU from a friend in Costa Rica who works for Intel. I buy not working boxes, but you know there are always good parts. Surprisingly, most people do not know enough about computers to make the used ones a hot item, so they sell cheap. People are so hung up on new things they fail to recognize the values of used. Sad for them, absolutely excellent for me. It’s certainly not difficult, and I enjoy the hunt. I also sell a lot of machines I build and the money is great.

I know they’re not equal, the PS4 is going to cost considerably more than 400USD in Aus while PC parts prices are similar. More expensive, especially for newer parts, but older parts are okay. You can basically double your budget for the PC. Games also rarely stretch consoles, so that artificial “PS4 has no OS so it’s faster” (which is complete bull) isn’t as strong an argument as to artificially increase the power of the GPU.

So no, a 7850 is not equivalent to a 7970 regardless of how you spin it. There’s a lot of other points I disagree with, but I’ll let you figure those out. Most console games still use OpenGL for main graphics API, even on the newer consoles. Mantle is one other solution, but might end up not used as often, ’cause it is so low level programming, time to implement it in games outweights the benefits of getting directly to the core.

And funny enough, don’t think that an APU, especially an AMD APU, will have the same power has it’s computer equivalently named counterpart GPU. The APU misses a lot of the necessary hardware to make it a serious contendant. Think of it as a laptop version of the same desktop PC dedicated vid card. And even a 8 core AMD processor considering what they can deliver as we are speaking today, they can’t make them right. PC counterpart will always have an edge. Having 8 gig of DDR5 but installed like system/video card shared memory doesn’t mean it will perform better than a computer with the same amount of desktop DDR3 memory. Past the 1600 mhz mark you will not see a difference in performance.

The GDDR5 specs will be more efficiently used by the GPU. At some point, there will be a compromise in memory speed, since that memory is shared. A console will always be a dumb-down PC clone. Hey, it’s only 400$, you can’t expect it to be the same performance of a decent gaming PC.

8 gigs of GDDR does not mean it will be used. Do not forget a lot is shared for other things than graphics alone. I remember when people were all saying how the Cloud would solve almost every computing/networking problem not that long agountil it came out & they realized how server-dependant it was & what little/poor server setups/support there actually IS about (not to mention further security risks). End result, prettymuch not being able to save/access Cloud or waiting up to hours for it to be able to gain accessand that’s on this fantastic PS3 console with this coveted GTA V game (that R* is losing NO time in completely destroying, BTW). I predict a rerun in Mantle-even if it CAN do something, there’s no guarantee it WILL (especially if you need rely on Co’s to maintain/expand server quality in order for it to work at all, let alone poorly)~ •. I remember when people were all saying how the Cloud would solve almost every computing/networking problem not that long agountil it came out & they realized how server-dependant it was & what little/poor server setups/support there actually IS about (not to mention further security risks). End result, prettymuch not being able to save/access Cloud or waiting up to hours for it to be able to gain accessand that’s on this fantastic PS3 console with this coveted GTA V game (that R* is losing NO time in completely destroying, BTW).

I predict a rerun in Mantle-even if it CAN do something, there’s no guarantee it WILL (especially if you need rely on Co’s to maintain/expand server quality in order for it to work at all, let alone poorly)~ •. Listen here, I don’t know who you have been talking to about pc gaming, but you need to learn to disregard their advice because they are a senseless, mindless, incompetent and probably impotent scab on society who needs to get informed. Looking at the top ten best sellers on Steam right now, I have noticed that 6 of the ten are PC exclusives and one is DLC to AC4 so we can disregard that.

The most expensive thing on there is $60 normally BUT HOLY HELL IT’S GOING FOR 14.99 BECAUSE OF STEAM SALES. So your argument about consoles having better exclusives is dead. Also, can you play the original Half-Life on a 360? How about the XBOX One? Rise Of The Tomb Raider Keygen Free Download more.

So for longevity from a games perspective your argument is equally stupid. I am not denying that GTAV is a fantastic piece of witchcraft.

That game was built by wizards to export that type of performance out of old shitty hardware, even if it ran at 480p at 25FPS which is unplayable for most games. Also, you’re implying that people aren’t allowed to have an old mouse and keyboard to play on, that they aren’t allowed to have an old monitor to play on and that they don’t have enough common sense to not let their computer get destroyed with viruses. While I think of people as mostly idiotic, I know that even the lowest of the low can comprehend: OH THAT NO GOOD BUTTON, I NO CLICK.

That is all you have to do to prevent your computer from being a cess pool of viruses. Also, have you played anything in 1440p at 60fps before? It is a complete game changer for anyone serious about gaming. I owned both a 360 and PS3 and I can never go back to console gaming again after sitting here on my beautiful pc. Granted, I say all of this from a $4000 computer built largely for gaming, but I am the upper 1% of the upper 1% when it comes to pcs. Also, have you ever heard of a mod?

It’s a little thing that makes unfinished piles of atrocious filth such as GTA IV and Skyrim playable. From a community standpoint the pc community is far superior. Even on a free to play game like Team Fortress 2 where there are tens of thousands of people playing a game from 2007 I have yet to encounter a 12 year old kid screaming about how he’s going to bang my mother. I’ve put hundreds of hours into that game over the years and I can assure you that most peoplee are in the same boat I am. So please educate yourself about a topic before you oppose it as only a simple-minded imbecile would. I am Highly Educated on the Subject, so please.

I have a 1,200 dollar PC and i have played on Steam and it is a worthless system, their Customer service Sucks,and many of the specials they offer are for Crappy old games. Secondly your out of your Fucking mind to spend 4000.00 on a PC to play games, you are now the official spokes person for the mentally Retarded. There are some good exclusives for PC, but they are minimal compared to consoles, hardly worth spending 4K on a PC for. LOL AC4 Exclusive, LOL that’s what you got for PC gaming that you want to brag about, now that is funny. Half life is so Dead that not even a Zombie would want to play it, why did you even waist your time on that silly Comment. You can have all your Viruses, everyone who has a PC has to deal with them including yourself, and no matter what Anti Virus system you have they alway’s seem to find a way in, so that is a part of PC that you can’t get around. 60 FPS doesn’t mean jack shit, i have played many a games on my PC at 60 FPS that didn’t hold a candle to games i played on a Console.

GTA5 is a perfect example, Runs at 1080P on Xbox360 at 30 FPS. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. PC gaming SUCKS. I think you mean 720p at around 25fps max which is unplayable to anyone who has ever played above that.

Also, just because you have a pc doesn’t make you an expert. If your dad is a neurosurgeon does that make you qualified to operate on someone’s brain too? Half-Life still has an active modding community so pc gamers do in fact give a shit about it. Crappy old games, well let’s just see what I picked up on my new account just this past month shall we? Bioshock 1-3 For a combined $15 Trine 1-2 For $1.49 Just Cause 2 For $1 Sleeping Dogs For $4 Every Half-Life game and expansion for $9 Tomb Raider (Shitty game by the way) for $9 Double Fine Bundle for $8 etc. Some good exclusives for PC?

The Two best games of this last year were PC exclusives: Papers, Please and Gunpoint. These games are different from the games that I normally play by exponential amounts and yet they were fantastic purchases and I will be playing them for years to come. The best game of 2014 so far(While it is a young year) is a pc exclusive called Broken Age. It is a fantastic adventure game which is another genre that I don’t typically give a shit about. All of these games have one thing in common, they are indie games built by developers who actually give a shit about the consumer. This is the main reason why pc is my platform of choice, because we allow developers who would never have a chance of making it to the console market to thrive and share their masterpieces with the world.

And what games have you played at 60fps on a pc that didn’t hold a candle to a console? Were you running it at 240p on low settings on the pc? That it the only way in which I can see that argument being at all true. I understand that you are a useless scummy troll, but please, if you’re going to troll at least have some sort of credibility to back something up you twat. Oh yes, how great that you can buy a four year old game used for $9.00 when I could get the same thing on Steam for $2. As a spectacle I will give you that GTA 5 is more impressive than anything on pc. But just because it is a remarkable piece of work doesn’t mean that it is the best thing ever.

There are a lot of problems in that game that pc gamers would have fixed up in about two days that would truly make it a great game as opposed to just another game like it is on consoles. Can you give me three reasons why a console is a better option than a pc without repeating something you’ve already said? So sorry, you can’t use your whole “I hate having to update my antivirus.” argument again, which is complete bull shit and you know it. Tell your Anti-Virus to update when you want it to update and hide notifications about it.

Problem solved no more fiddling with a piece of software that will at most interfere with you twice a month. 1- mmorpgs like guild of wars 2 or anything 2- graphics is way better! 3- u can fix problems easily unlike console u have to wait until they release a patch 4- mods! Like skyrim mods!

They are great 5- u can play on 1440p or 4k! Lol ( but that could cost ) 6- online is free:) 7- u can listen to musics while playing LMAO 8- u can use any headset 9- downloading games is faster and cheaper:) 10- pc doesn’t have problems like consoles.:) just give me 10 reasons for ” CONSOLE IS BETTER THAN PC” •. I think if you consider the fact that online play is $50 a year for about 7 years gives you another $350 or so to work with because PC doesn’t charge for online gameplay. (other than MMOs) It’s also another well known fact that games on PC are considerably cheaper than console. (Titanfall for Xbox one is still around 50 bucks while it was on pc for $20 last week through EA’s origin software.) For the sake of this articles argument, however, we won’t include this. So if we had $750 for a PC you could easily get better high quality parts than what’s in a ps4 and you could include a bluray drive. If you were to wait even just 1 year, you could get the parts for significantly less or get even better parts for the same price.

On top of it, if you go the pc route, you have your work and play all on one machine. Last time i checked, you can’t easily get Microsoft office to run on a ps4, let alone technical software like matlab, solid works, or autocad. (i’m an engineer.) •. PCPartPicker claims that the whole system will only require 274W, though I personally wouldn’t trust an estimation to be accurate within 1W So, here: Basically same specs, but upgraded HDD to 750GB, picked a 7850 that had a higher clock rate, and now featuring a 400W PSU that will definitely be enough to power the entire system.

Total price, $396.90 shipped, without any rebates. Personally, I don’t understand why someone would go to the trouble of going THIS cheap for a PC. If you actually wanted a superior experience, you’d shell out the $300 extra it would cost to take your PC from “bare minimum to function” all the way up to “able to max out BF4 at 1080p and get an average 65fps”.

PC gaming has traditionally been limited to enthusiasts – the people who want to truly get the best experience, and are willing to pay a little bit more for it. Well you’ve still gone for the dual core, bottom of the range Celeron CPU, which will severely limit your ability to go “far beyond” the consoles. If anything you’re crippling the GPU which such a low spec CPU, and are unlikely to reach the full potential of the GPU in games. The PS4’s CPU is superior in every respect to that piece of trash, which would be embarrassed by a lot of laptops. It’s only got a 1333Mhz FSB, so the 1600Mhz RAM that you’ve paired it with will not quite be meeting its potential, not to mention the fact you’ve selected a single module, so you’ll be forced into single-channel mode. You won’t really be able to do any overclocking either, since you’re stuck with the Intel default HSF and that dog of a motherboard with a chipset from 3 years ago.

But hey, this build will at least turn on. Looking beyond that, you might also want to swap out the shitty “RoseWill” PSU for something a bit quieter and less likely to fail. The PS4s PSU will be considerably more reliable than that piece of crap, and quieter to boot. That $20 tin box of a case is nothing like as pleasing on the eye as the PS4s plastic beauty, and with its’ single 80mm case fan it’s going to be getting pretty toasty in there, unlike the PS4 which has excellent bespoke cooling and well-designed airflow. Never mind, I guess the 2 giant turboprop fans on the GPU will shift enough air around to keep itself running Your $10 wifi adapter might *just* about work, albeit be flaky as fuck, but it certainly doesn’t have Bluetooth. Also you haven’t quite “matched” the PS4 spec. There’s no controller to speak of, no headset, no Blu-ray drive, no HDMI lead either.

And in fact, you’ve not even included a keyboard and mouse, so you’re going to have trouble installing any games on to this or indeed playing them. What you’ve specced up here is in fact a fancy doorstop. No need to get butt hurt, all I was doing was copy-pasting the same build as the article provides, with a PSU that will easily pass power requirements.

If that $10 wifi adapter really gets your panties in a twist, then just go with the $11 one listed in the article – only reason I chose the $10 one was because I didn’t see the one listed in the article on PCPartPicker. I don’t think a $400 PC is worth it.

On the flip side, I don’t think a $400 PS4 is worth it, either. Neither one is going to be good enough to satisfy a power user or enthusiast. $600-$700 is the cost of running a PC with an i3 4330 and GTX 770, which right now is able to bend the PS4 over and call it its bitch. The question is not “is a $400 PC worth it” of course it isn’t. The question is “can you make a PC which is as good as a PS4 in games for the cost of a PS4”. You appear to be saying that you can, by continually posting dogshit $400 PC builds. Where in fact, those $400 builds; A: Won’t even approach the same FPS as a PS4 in the same game, same res, same settings, due to having 6 fewer CPU cores and considerably slower, less integrated RAM.

(There are also factors such as DirectX and Windows overheads which also lower performance, but I’m ignoring those in your favour!) B: Do not come with the the same stuff a PS4 does such as Blu-Ray drive, headset and controller. C: Are made from crappy components that look horrible, will be very noisy, and will most likely fail to work properly. Unlike the PS4 which is a very attractive looking, near-silent, reliable consumer device.

To build a PC which uses components of a similar quality to the PS4, achieves similar gaming performance and includes the same hardware such as Bluray and a controller, the *minimum* you need to spend is $800, and you still end up with an ugly box that has a last-gen controller and no operating system. To exceed the PS4’s performance in games you need to spend at least $1000. Please don’t confuse this for an argument against the PC as a gaming device, it’s not. I love my gaming PC and would never give it up. What you must understand is that in terms of bang for buck in gaming performance only, the $400 PS4 represents *excellent* value for money when compared to a gaming PC.

This is because Sony are buying millions of the same components and getting huge volume discounts. They also have their own factories, something which no PC builder does. There is no way an individual or even a PC builder like Dell can compete with that kind of buying and manufacturing power. I’m not defending the build in the post nor am I defending the scores of fucking idiots who seem to think that $400 PCs are ACTUALLY VIABLE. I highly doubt you’re actually a PC gamer (or at least a PC gamer who builds his own shit) because of your statement: “To exceed the PS4’s performance in games you need to spend at least $1000.” This is patently bullshit. You can outright destroy the PS4’s gaming performance right now for under $1000 EASILY. Using AMD / Radeon: $792, will be able to completely max out BF4 @ 1080p and achieve an average frame rate of over 60fps.

Using the more costly Intel and Nvidia parts: $874, will be able to completely max out BF4 @ 1080p and achieve an average frame rate of over 60fps. Keep in mind, this isn’t merely beating a PS4 this is utterly DESTROYING it. If you drop your standards significantly, an HD 7850/GTX 660 is more than a match for the PS4’s capabilities, at least according to BF4Blog, which benchmarked a huge lineup of cards. At Ultra 1080p, the HD 7850/GTX 660 got an average 40-45fps. If you were to lower the resolution to 1600×900, it would probably be able to hold Ultra 900p at a good 60fps. Using an HD 7850 drops the price of the build to the $600 range. Sigh, so you’re up to $792 now let’s take a look I guess.

(at your AMD build) Well finally we get a realistic CPU and motherboard combo, and dual channel RAM too! This CPU can in fact keep pace with the RAM and GPU, and you’ve gone for a half decent motherboard. This build actually will outperform the PS4 in terms of raw CPU horsepower! It’s good to see an operating system included in the build as well, because the PS4 has one pre-installed and it’s quite difficult to play PC games without one. The PS4 OS doesn’t really do anything other than play games, but that’s all the PS4 is designed to do and the OS is included in the price of the console, so that’s fine.

Until SteamOS comes along, you’re stuck with paying a big premium for Windows on the PC. You’ve gone for a decent PSU this time, so it will actually work for more than 6 months, but the case is still the worst I’ve seen in years, you’re certainly not going to beat the PS4 in terms of looks or noise, your PC will look like a bag of crap and sound even worse at full load.

The thermal performance of the Rosewill FBM-01 is absolutely dreadful, and when high end components start to overheat, they downclock themselves and slow down to avoid damaging themselves. The 280X you’ve selected runs very hot, hence the 3 massive fans on it, so you will definitely need a better case with more airflow to keep it running at full speed. That’s if a full-length card even fits in that case anyway, which it doesn’t look like it will. If you spent another $60 for a decent case with good airflow, this build actually would exceed the PS4’s raw performance in most games. However, the wifi adapter has disappeared, so I suppose you’ll need to run an ethernet cable, and you’ve not added a mouse, keyboard or controller, so you’ll be playing games with telepathy I guess.

There’s still no blu-ray drive and no headset, so while it does offer better graphics performance before it overheats, this build is still nowhere near as well-equipped as the PS4. Once you add a case with decent airflow, a bluray drive, a mouse and keyboard, a wireless controller / receiver and a semi-decent headset, you’re looking at around $1000.

It’s pretty unsurprising that spending $1000 on a PC beats a $400 console. In other news, a $40’000 car is faster than an $16’000 car. Um, yes you do. Clock for clock Intel far the superior CPU in games, and have far more overclock headroom than an AMD chip. For a performance build focussed on frames per second there really is no option but to go for Intel sadly.

I say sadly because thanks to AMD offering no real competition they can put the prices sky high and you have no option but to pay it. I didn’t say viable, I said if you were a real gamer that’s what you’d go for. Skateboarders spend $1000’s on boards that look cool, guitar players spend $1000’s on their guitars because they give a slightly better sound. If you’re a real gamer you buy dumb expensive shit just because it’s cool, not because it’s practical.

Besides, $1500 isn’t even enough. A $1900 Gaming PC is the minimum required to be “Viable” IMO, because you have to buy a monitor really, preferably two or three. If he was a *REAL* PC gamer, why are you repeatedly assuming he doesn’t have a mouse, controller or keyboard? WTF did he use to post with, then? I am not really discrediting anything else you’re saying, but it’s much like assuming a console gamer doesn’t have a TV or anything to SEE their game on (which would be FAR more expensive than a mere mouse/keyboard AND controller together)somewhat illogical IMHO. I just keep seeing this point getting raised as an addition to cost & it really annoys the Hell outta me~ •.

If he was a *REAL* PC gamer, why are you repeatedly assuming he doesn’t have a mouse, controller or keyboard? WTF did he use to post with, then? I am not really discrediting anything else you’re saying, but it’s much like assuming a console gamer doesn’t have a TV or anything to SEE their game on (which would be FAR more expensive than a mere mouse/keyboard AND controller together)somewhat illogical IMHO.

I just keep seeing this point getting raised as an addition to cost & it really annoys the Hell outta me~ •. I just priced out a new computer for my daughter that I was going to build. It was a little over $600, and it stomps the PS4 into the ground. Oh, and because I’d be buying most of it together, the shipping is free.

And where do you get kilos from? My computer weighs like 2 kilos.

Also, in terms of bang for the buck in performance, you’re NOT getting a better deal by going with the PS4. The PS4 fails miserably as a home theater piece, which is something the PS3 did quite nicely honestly. And it’s something that my PC does quite nicely as well. My PC cost $1,100 to build 11 months ago, that’s including the monitor. Most of the components I used are now 2/3 to 1/2 the price they were when I bought them, and every single piece is better than the stuff in the PS4. Your point in number C is that many E-Tailler have free shipping for articles or ordering over a certain amount of money (for example direct canada does not charge the shipping in Canada if order over 50$). Newegg has it on many articles.

A PC Builder only needs a philips screwdriver to build his own computer at home. There is no need for the high cost of a manufacture. Dell cannot compete in any way with that kind of buying, because for the same specs you still pay more for a Dell than an equivalent DIY bought online. You’re a fucking idiot. An i3 4330 + GTX 770 outperforms the PS4 by miles in Battlefield 4, despite BF4 being optimized for best performance on multiple CPU threads.

We’re talking over 60fps average, on the highest settings (which are significantly higher than the PS4’s) at 1080p instead of 900p. I know this because I HAVE ACTUALLY RUN THAT SETUP AND BENCHMARKED IT. That’s right – a dual core is indeed able to make the PS4’s processor it’s bitch. An i5 4570 will only cost you about $50 more than an i3 4330. You could easily hook up your PC to your 70″ Sony Jumbotron too, you dumb fuck.

In 2 years the PS4 would have BF4 running far better than that $600-$700 PC you’re describing though. We’re dealing with engines that aren’t optimized for the PS4 and code that’s not even remotely optimized. These are launch games designed for the PS3 and Xbox 360. That PC you’re describing won’t compete with the PS4 in 2 years. It’ll be close, but it’ll still lose out. Developers will be able to get far more out of a console than they can from the not even remotely uniform and high overhead cost world of Windows PCs.

That 8 GBs of GDDR5 is also insane. It’ll make a much larger difference than most journalists believe. Developers have stated as much, though in whispers due to NDA nonsense. There’s no replacement for displacement – the PS4 struggles at 900p@30fps at the equivalent of “high”. Sorry, sweetheart, but there’s no way your piss poor console specs are going to catch up to 1080p@65fps at Ultra through patches Higher end cards (GTX 770, HD 7970) are going to last a good 3-5 years. The GTX 280 was still capable of MAXING OUT games 3 years after it was released in 2008.

8GB GDDR5 isn’t going to mean shit when PC graphics cards already have more GDDR5 RAM than any game is capable of using, and are likely going to be implementing GDDR6 in late 2014/early 2015 following the release of Haswell-E. That isn’t to say 8GB GDDR5 is USELESS, but right now it’s utterly wasteful, and in the future is not going to be able to keep up with the significantly more powerful GDDR6. I don’t “just” play games like BF or COD. I own about 500 titles on PC, ranging from BF4 to EFLC to Assetto Corsa to Batman Arkham Origins to Starcraft 2 to Fallout 1 and everything in between On top of which, I do plenty of work on that PC – video and image editing, word processing, programming.

I also use it to catch up on news, contact friends, schedule appointments, listen to music, watch movies and TV shows It’s all about your own personal definition of “perfectly fine” – I don’t think upscaled 900p, 30fps, being crippled through use of a controller, and noticeably worse graphical fidelity is “perfectly fine”. I have the money to outperform the consoles, and I want to outperform the consoles, so I’m more than happy to shell out a couple hundred bucks extra to get the better end result •. Clate, I built a PC 11 months ago that completely and utterly destroys the PS4.

I spent $1,100 on it, and that’s including the monitor. I’ve recently priced a computer build for my daughter, and I was looking at some of the parts I used for mine, they’ve gone down by 1/3 to 1/2 the price I paid for them. I could build this computer again for around $600 and it would blow the PS4 out of the water even AFTER it gets games that are optimized for it.

And as Scienceman pointed out, the computer can also do so much more than JUST play games. BF4 does not run at 1080p on either console, you ignorant fucking kiddie. Do you even bother to research anything at all, or are you REALLY content with spewing bullshit over and over again? I KNOW you’re a fucking idiot, and a quick Google search confirms just how stupid you really are: On the Xbox One, BF4 runs at 720p and the image is stretched to fit onto a 1080p monitor. This is not the same thing as running at 1080p. On the Playstation 4, BF4 runs at 900p and the image is stretched to fit onto a 1080p screen. This is not the same thing as running it at 1080p.

720p = 1280×720 = 921,600 pixels per frame 900p = 1600×900 = 1,440,000 pixels per frame 1080p = 1920×1080 = 2,073,600 pixels per frame If your friend can play BF4 at 1080p, then it already looks better on his computer, period. On top of this, if he can run it at 1080p, that means his computer is capable of punching out TWO TIMES as many pixels per frame as the Xbox One. On top of this, your friend has a GTX 670, which is considerably weaker than the GTX 770 that I had mentioned above. But then again, how would you know that, considering YOU’RE AN IGNORANT FUCKING KIDDIE. If YOU can’t tell the difference, then it’s because you are too fucking stupid to know what the difference is. You probably are not able to explain nor understand how anti-aliasing and resolution affects image quality.

And if you’re too fucking stupid to know that much, then you’re better off buying a console. You wouldn’t be able to appreciate the benefits of having a machine capable of destroying the consoles, anyway. I’ve been using keyboards since ’97 (which is probably a few years before you were born), so yes, I do have a bit of practice with using them. We don’t have to go over a damn thing: you are wrong about everything you are saying, and have no proof to support any of your claims. BF4 on XB1 runs at 720p. BF4 on PS4 runs at 900p. These aren’t opinions, these are facts.

The fact that they can’t even run the game at 1080p shows they are weaker than a $500 PC. Honestly it sounds like you’re just angry because your parents bought you a XB1 instead of a PS4 or a PC, and now you’re crying about it like a little bitch.

Don’t forget to count the cost of a TV into your console price then. Besides, are you not aware that you can connect a PC to your television via HDMI?

PS4 runs it at 900p, XB1 at 720p. Neither version of the game runs at 1080p. On top of this, both consoles run it at what is equivalent to a mix “Medium” and “High” settings on PC, and with no anti-aliasing to boot. For about $450-$500 in hardware, a PC would be able to do the same. The $600-$700 price figure is for a PC that will completely DESTROY both of the consoles. The $300 more to upgrade the PC in the build into something close to what I have, which stomps the PS4’s face in for the record, is probably less than what your computer costs.

So adding together the shitty computer you use for email and the PS4 costs, you’re spending more and getting two MASSIVELY inferior systems. Spending the money up front to get a nice gaming rig is the way to go for sure. Also, if you buy 5 games for the PS4, you’ll have shelled out another $300. I can spend months playing some really good completely free games on the PC. And I’m not talking about the flash based games either (although sometimes those are really fun to kill a couple hours on). So what I’m trying to say is, hit up newegg or tigerdirect and an ehow guide on building computers.

Quit feeding these console companies money to make weak systems. This PC wouldn’t provide anywhere near the performance of a PS4. The PS4 allows low level API coding, this PC would not. Even if it supported Mantle, it still wouldn’t. He’s also using ridiculously cheap parts while the PS4 is using Seagate hard drives. This PC is built to last a couple years while the PS4 is built to last 5 to 10.

It’s not a very good comparison. The GDDR5 also makes a much larger difference than he’s pretending. Textures and reflections will look amazing on the PS4 once developers learn how to code for it correctly. The last console I had last ANYWHERE near 5 years was my Sega Genesisnot a SINGLE disc-based console has made it past 2-3 on me yet. I am on my 7th or 8th PS3 & I didn’t even buy til mid-late Aug2010only 3 were used & they actually lasted the longest (w/o counting prior owner’s use).

The PS3 Ultra-slims are basically made of plastic shopping bags3 since March2013. Another reason I am done with consoles. SCEA even lost a class-action suit knowingly putting defective DVD-Rom’s in PS2 as a servicing scam & I thoroughly believe PS3 YLOD is same again (they did at least 3 obvious downgrades to almost ensure this would happen). Pathetic & utterly inexcuseable •. Seriously, people like you need to take better care of stuff.8 PS3’s, seriously? I had my first ps3 2 or 3 months after release, it lasted until last year when it burned out beyond repair, and the replacement I bought is still going strong, and the PS3, is the only disc based console I’ve owned (xbox 360, ps 1-3, wii, and dreamcast) I’ve ever had to replace even once, and trust me, I am NOT a lucky person.

The only thing that burns me up about the PS3 (and PS4 if I ever own one) is the blatant money grab of stopping backwards compatibility. Sad thing is, Sony et al. Could make oodles of money JUST from taking the “greatest hits” titles from previous generations and updating them to work on the new system, but they don’t do it.

Even some niche titles that I never got to finish like Fatal Frame 2, I’d pay for a compatible version. It has been more alive, in late 90s / early 2000s where the only online games were on PC.

These days less people play PC games than back then. Windows is still a good gaming system, but there are also good consoles for those that prefer a more hassle-free experience where you just pick up and play. Windows is getting pretty bad though. When SteamOS comes out the PC will truly come into its own again as a games platform, and Linux will finally become relevant. No doubt there are games on PC which are better than the consoles, but the reverse is true as well. If you want to play all of the best games out there, then you need both. More games are made now than ever before, so i will have to dissagree.

More devs work on pc than on consoles. Games cost alot to make which means that they all must sell a ton thus pc cant have any high budget exlusives. YET despite that games dont selll well enough, the sales keep underperfoming the last 2 years. So they make those games to appeal to more and more people. This generation of consoles basicly killed hardcore gaming and made games more simplistic and cinematic so the NON gamers will play games as if they are interactive movies. Thus more people play on consoles because thats what they perceive as gaming, not because people left pc to go to consoles, consoles expanded on non gamers. As time passes the ease of use you get from consoles passes, look at ps4 launch, its full of issues.

You got subscritption, acounts networks etc etc, consoles are getting more complicated since everyne uses facebook and ebay, however pc has gone quite simple with steam. All updates are automatic including game and driver updates and installing and playing a game is as easier as making an count on a site.

I do agree with you to an extent, but I disagree that consoles have killed hardcore gaming. The gaming market has expanded to cater for all kinds of gamers, hardcore, casual and moderate. A casual or moderate gamer should buy a console or a PC as they desire, and a hardcore gamer should buy a PC and *all* of the consoles.

You’re not hardcore if you limit yourself to one platform like *just* a PC. If you can’t get a good K/D ratio on Halo 4, you don’t have a good lap time on Gran Turismo 5 and you haven’t won a match of Super Smash Bros, then you’re not hardcore. League of Legends is not really a game you need a system faster than the PS4 for though?

It’s also free to download so people try it once and delete it. You might as argue that a $400 PC is better than the PS4 because 300 million people have played Solitaire and Minecraft. You’re not making any sense. For the type of games that actually *use* the power of a fast PC, stuff like triple-A first person shooters and driving games, the consoles outsell the PC by a factor of 10. BF4 is selling faster on the last-gen PS3 than on the PC, and if you combine Xbox 360, PS3 and PS4 sales and stack those against the PC, it’s a complete whitewash. GTA 5 has sold 29 million copies across both formats, which is pretty close to the 32 million estimated LoL accounts, but it’s hard to tell how many of those 32 million accounts are people with more than one account.

Also, LoL is given away for free, unlike GTA5 which costs $40-$50 Dota 2 has 5 million players, so no, not even close to the top. Sadly, the most popular games in the world are actually FarmVille and Mafia Wars. These games are not exactly a great advertisment for the PC as a games platform. Ultimately it doesn’t matter who has the most players, people are idiots and will play any old crap if it’s free to download.

The point is which system has the better full price, triple-A games, surely? “Incredibly boring” would be “just your opinion”, it’s clearly not that boring when there are five MILLION people playing it at once at peak, with 32 MILLION people playing it regularly. Don’t be a smartass.

Comparing it to Mafia Wars or FarmVille is a false equivalency. Those are certainly “games”, but it should be pretty clear that we weren’t talking about that. Also, never claimed that the world’s most popular video game being a PC exclusive made PC better, I was just using it as evidence that PC isn’t as dead as you’re claiming it is.

The PC platform miight cost more now, might cost more to maintain, but at the end of the day, proper gaming PCs will always be superior in performance to consoles – greater range of function, faster adoption of cutting edge technology, generally better software pricing all lend the platform an edge over the consoles. The cons of the PC are a sort of catch-22. PC’s hardware costs more because PC hardware is purchased in lower quantities.

PC hardware is purchased in lower quantities because it’s too expensive. Console manufacturers can buy massive amounts because that hardware is not going to be changing much if at all during the ~10 years that console is going to be in circulation. They can even subsidize a significant portion of the cost during the beginning of the generation, because they are likely to make that up through charging game developers massive amounts of money to make games for their platform.

Like you said earlier, a truly hardcore gamer will own all platforms – consoles for their exclusive titles, and PC for cross platform titles. I fully intend to purchase the PS4 and Xbone, but I’m not going to give myself a second rate experience by buying console versions of games that will run much better on my PC •. Comparing League of Legends to Battlefield 4 is also a false equivalency.

As is comparing a $1000 PC to a $400 console. I never said the PC was dead, I just said it was comparatively more popular as a gaming platform in the late 90s and early 00’s than it is now. So you’re prepared to sit here all day long and bleat at me about how much awesomer the graphics are on a PC and anyone that buys a console is a filthy casual who must be exterminated by the 100Hz vsync master race, but you’re getting an Xbox One? Not really a fair stat using GTA5 as a referenceundoubtedly if it was released on PC it would kill console sales of same title (which is likely why they didn’t release it yet as they are trying to FORCE console sales, if you haven’t noticedusually with a weak excuse like “pirating concerns” even though full console boots were available before the ACTUAL game was). At the end of the day it’s just a matter of opinion I supposeI highly doubt anyone here is likely to change the other’s mind-been a long one & I gotta go though, later gents (& any ladies present)~ •. I do not remember having seen Pentium 3 Extreme, I think that Extreme market began at the end of the Pentium 4. But I would believe a P3 processor that could do 1ghz could cost a lot of money back then.

A complete system could cost a huge amount of money back then. A 400$ PC just did not existed. You would pay at least 800-900$ even the cheapest one money could buy. My first computer I got was a pentium II based system, second-hand, got it for 650$. That piece of crap cost a lot more new back then. Today I could buy a very decent computer for the same amount of money, brand new. “PC games do not sell anywhere near as much as they do on consoles so your point is kinda invalid.” “pc games” “dont sell on cosnoles” Aww yeah?

Crysis and wticher 2 sold more on pc than console, same goes for alan wake and xcom. Now sorry to say this but NOTHING sells ENOUGH on consoles. Lets see what ea had latelly syndicate, crysis 3, moh warfigher, dead space 3, kindgoms of amalaur, all those games sold badly and flopped on “consoles” Capcom is dying, they got around 150 million in the bank, dmc flopped and so did re6, re6 wanted 7 million in sales, got 5, it was officially deemed a failure. Tomb raider and hitman absolution BARELLY broke even. Sleeping dogs a gta clone sold only 1.5 milliion sales on 160 million of ps3/x360s.

Basicly cod and gta sells but everything else is dumbed down and simplified to attract a wider audience and STILL doesnt manage to make enough sales. Pc gaming is growing, indie, f2p, kickstaer, pc has more games and more devs work on pc games. Consoles are in trouble with the insanely high development costs If games sell so bad at 160+ million of consoles, why pc would do better? I wonder what will happen this generation. Will games sell?

Will they get better? So far shadowfall and knack flopped. “PC games do not sell anywhere near as much as they do on consoles so your point is kinda invalid.” “pc games” “dont sell on cosnoles” Aww yeah?

Crysis and wticher 2 sold more on pc than console, same goes for alan wake and xcom. Now sorry to say this but NOTHING sells ENOUGH on consoles.

Lets see what ea had latelly syndicate, crysis 3, moh warfigher, dead space 3, kindgoms of amalaur, all those games sold badly and flopped on “consoles” Capcom is dying, they got around 150 million in the bank, dmc flopped and so did re6, re6 wanted 7 million in sales, got 5, it was officially deemed a failure. Tomb raider and hitman absolution BARELLY broke even. Sleeping dogs a gta clone sold only 1.5 milliion sales on 160 million of ps3/x360s. Basicly cod and gta sells but everything else is dumbed down and simplified to attract a wider audience and STILL doesnt manage to make enough sales. Pc gaming is growing, indie, f2p, kickstaer, pc has more games and more devs work on pc games.

Consoles are in trouble with the insanely high development costs If games sell so bad at 160+ million of consoles, why pc would do better? I wonder what will happen this generation. Will games sell? Will they get better? So far shadowfall and knack flopped.

You obviously have no idea how the gaming industry works. Most PC AAA games are ports of Console games. A lot of AAA games do not even bother with PC because they know they wont sell enough to bother. So are you having fun with GTAV? You know the number 1 piece of entertainment ever?

Rockstar decided to not makle a PC version? Oh sucks to be you. I can not even remember the last time a PC game was a top 10 selling game. BF4 so far 360-1.16 million PS3-0.95 PC-0.35 BF3 360-6.96 PS3-6.62 PC-2.49 And also Crysis 2 and 3 sold better on consoles. And we have no way of knowing how Crysis 1 sold as it is digital and you cant track digital PS-XB games Crysis 2 360-1.23 PS3-1.14 PC-0.68 Crysis 3 360-0.67 PS3-0.54 PC-0.29 Alan Wake 360-1.22 PC-0.04 •. I am laughing my ass off and holding my belly. You playing a game on console and on pc is not the same.

PORT means the pc version is crap, but its quite the opposite the pc version has better control, far far beter graphcis and better sound and overall its the best version. Bf3 on x360/ps3? LOW pc settings. Bf4, crysis 3 and metro? UNDER the lowest settings.

If that is yout definition of a “port” then ill take that “port” anyday. Tomb raider and remember me on pc beat the last of us graphics. Which are the developers who are not making game for pc exactly?

More and more developers make pc versions, i cant think of any game that is not on pc. Maybe japanesse low budget games because they suck at pc.

Yet despite metal gear rising floppin they are porting it to pc. Kojima said they are working on a pc version for mgs v but its not a priority. Dmc and inversion were not gonna be on pc, yet they made a pc version. Old games that were NEVER on pc are ported on pc after all those years.

Deadly premonition, alan wake, viking, oddysey to the west, brutal legend and ofcourse pc has tons of exlusives. STEAM ofcourse, steam can continue and make sales from 10 years now without the developers having to lift a finger.

However on consoles games sell the first few months and then they are dead. Can you get an old game for a console? Not really, you cant find it anywhere, but you can find it on pc for a low price and that gives profit. It works pc brings profit with a diffirent market system. What about gta v? Gta 3 was ps2 exclusive and they did not talk about a pc version till many months later.

Same goes with vice city. Then they ported both to xbox and san andreas was ps2 exlusive for a year than they ported both to pc and xbox. In 2008 more people owned a x360 than a ps3 so they made them on both consoles. They made a quick crappy port for pc with a third studio called Rockstar torronto.

It was a mess, horrible perfomance bugs, etc etc, too many months to fix it. Why do that crap again? The pc version will come out in a few months when its ready to avoid the glorious screwup that gta iv was. They used GFWL instead of steam, it was a glorious mess. They ported manhunt 2, bully and la noire on pc despite the fact those games were never anounced on pc. Max payne 3 was well made on pc as well.

Rockstar leads is looking for pc programmers for a project, i wonder what for? Propably to port gta v to pc which will be the BEST version. Red dead redemption was made by Rockstar san diego which was a diffirent studio with diffirent engine and sourceode and was too much of a mess to port it to pc especially after gta iv. But max payne 3 worked amazingly well on pc, so rockstar has fixed their engine. I dont understand why you brought vgchartz, it is innacurate and vgcharhts doesnt count digital distrubition, 90% of pc game sales happen through digital distrubition steam, origin, gog, etc etc. Alan wake for example was sold throught steam while the retail version was made by small retailer that had limited reach. Remedy has confirmed alan wake has sold over 2 milion copies, yet your stats are pointing out that this is impossible due to insanelly low RETAIL pc sales So vgchartz is INNACURATE.

I am laughing my ass off and holding my belly. You playing a game on console and on pc is not the same. PORT means the pc version is crap, but its quite the opposite the pc version has better control, far far beter graphcis and better sound and overall its the best version. Bf3 on x360/ps3? LOW pc settings. Bf4, crysis 3 and metro? UNDER the lowest settings.

If that is yout definition of a “port” then ill take that “port” anyday. Tomb raider and remember me on pc beat the last of us graphics. Which are the developers who are not making game for pc exactly? More and more developers make pc versions, i cant think of any game that is not on pc. Maybe japanesse low budget games because they suck at pc. Yet despite metal gear rising floppin they are porting it to pc. Kojima said they are working on a pc version for mgs v but its not a priority.

Dmc and inversion were not gonna be on pc, yet they made a pc version. Old games that were NEVER on pc are ported on pc after all those years. Deadly premonition, alan wake, viking, oddysey to the west, brutal legend and ofcourse pc has tons of exlusives. STEAM ofcourse, steam can continue and make sales from 10 years now without the developers having to lift a finger.

However on consoles games sell the first few months and then they are dead. Can you get an old game for a console?

Not really, you cant find it anywhere, but you can find it on pc for a low price and that gives profit. It works pc brings profit with a diffirent market system.

Crysis got 3 millions from pc in 2008, its far higher now. Yet they wanted more, they gone to consoles and crysis 2 got 3 million sales on all platforms then crysis 3 got even less and both crysis 2 and 3 were made with the remaining budget from crysis 1 sales from pc. Crytek is back on square 1. So much for glorious console master sales.

What about gta v? Gta 3 was ps2 exclusive and they did not talk about a pc version till many months later. Same goes with vice city.

Then they ported both to xbox and san andreas was ps2 exlusive for a year than they ported both to pc and xbox. In 2008 more people owned a x360 than a ps3 so they made them on both consoles. They made a quick crappy port for pc with a third studio called Rockstar torronto. It was a mess, horrible perfomance bugs, etc etc, too many months to fix it. Why do that crap again?

The pc version will come out in a few months when its ready to avoid the glorious screwup that gta iv was. They used GFWL instead of steam, it was a glorious mess.

They ported manhunt 2, bully and la noire on pc despite the fact those games were never anounced on pc. Max payne 3 was well made on pc as well.

Rockstar leads is looking for pc programmers for a project, i wonder what for? Propably to port gta v to pc which will be the BEST version. Red dead redemption was made by Rockstar san diego which was a diffirent studio with diffirent engine and sourceode and was too much of a mess to port it to pc especially after gta iv. But max payne 3 worked amazingly well on pc, so rockstar has fixed their engine. I dont understand why you brought vgchartz, it is innacurate and vgcharhts doesnt count digital distrubition, 90% of pc game sales happen through digital distrubition steam, origin, gog, etc etc. Alan wake for example was sold throught steam while the retail version was made by small retailer that had limited reach. Remedy has confirmed alan wake has sold over 2 milion copies, yet your stats are pointing out that this is impossible due to insanelly low RETAIL pc sales So vgchartz is INNACURATE.

You obviously have no idea how the gaming industry works. Most PC AAA games are ports of Console games.

A lot of AAA games do not even bother with PC because they know they wont sell enough to bother. So are you having fun with GTAV? You know the number 1 piece of entertainment ever? Rockstar decided to not makle a PC version? Oh sucks to be you. I can not even remember the last time a PC game was a top 10 selling game.

BF4 so far 360-1.16 million PS3-0.95 PC-0.35 BF3 360-6.96 PS3-6.62 PC-2.49 And also Crysis 2 and 3 sold better on consoles. And we have no way of knowing how Crysis 1 sold as it is digital and you cant track digital PS-XB games Crysis 2 360-1.23 PS3-1.14 PC-0.68 Crysis 3 360-0.67 PS3-0.54 PC-0.29 Alan Wake 360-1.22 PC-0.04 •. “Consoles are in trouble with the insanely high development costs” You’re right, but that’s only because this generation of consoles has lasted so long. Xbox 3 and PS4 were both slated to come out in 2009-2010, but due to the global financial crisis in 2008 those plans were put on hold, and they focussed on getting the most out of the existing hardware.

Now we’re in a position where every console game has huge development costs because the developers are making the best use they can out of old hardware. This gen of consoles address 2 things: 1: Development costs and 2: System performance. AMD are providing the “Mono” and “Mantle” x86 SDKs which will allow big games to be developed for all three gaming platforms at the same time (Xbox One, PS4 and PC). This will massively reduce the cost and increase profits for the big games. It also means that your precious PC games will be much better, because they’re no longer “console ports”, they’re optimised for x86 from the get-go.

PC games are great because a little indie developer can make a game for 500k and have it sell in the millions, but you don’t just want *only* little indie games, sometimes you want the big blockbusters like Assassin’s Creed 4 and GTA5, to go along with your Minecraft and Faster Than Light. Nope, some guy from Guirella games said that while x86 is easier to develop, the games are as expensive as ever.

Just how many games you think will be able to much up to the budget and costs of shadowfall of bf4? Let alone the fact those games are not particulary cutting edge.

Seems to me sony and ms will have to spend too much for their exlusive and thus games will focus on multiplatform. Watchdogs has to sell like 6 million copies to make profit.

Its riddiculus. Games keep flopping.

Bioware said this next gen will be a smaller jump because to trully make a next gen experiance will need like 10 million sales to make profit. So more and more games will be made for sure profit and innovation will suffer just like it suffered this generation. Mantle is a low level acess api for pc. AMD has confirmed that ps4 doesnt have mantle nor does xbox one. The cost is more related to the actual resources, technology, engines, animation, motion capture, voice acting and new technologies than multiplatform development and ofcoruse advertizing.

I really like that the games you pointed out are milked sequels, proving that the AAA games have to be samey dumbed down sequels upon sequels and not new ips. As ubisoft said if they were not sure watchdogs would sell, they wouldnt make it. Atleast indie brings new ideas and diffirent games. When i look towards upcoming games all i see is the same crap cod, bf, creed, gta, gow,halo,killzone, infamous,fallout. ETC ETC They just keep milking those cows till peopel stop buying them.

You think the developers want to make another one of those games? But hey people know them so they keep buying them. Bungie left, ms is still making halo, same thing with other franchises.

If the game doesnt sell however like say alan wake,then the developer tries something new, but they are still under the control of MS. The whole “console exlusive” is a joke really. Take a look at killzone, it never took off as a franchise, yet they keep making those games and advertize them as exlusives game that everyone must have. Take a look at dead rising, it was exlusive, became multiplatform, didnt sell, capcom gone to crap and lossing money like crazy, signed up for exlusivity with ms to promote the game and make money. So long story short, fuck the AAA “blockbusters” fuck ms, fuck sony, fuck ea, fuck the exlusives and fuck the industry.

Id rather play indie games that are free and innovative than some overmilked and overhyped AAA “blockbuster” that i am suposselly meant to care because its advertized alot and thus people keep buying those games per tradition. Gaming on a console is a joke. People don’t buy a massive 50+ inch LED LCD IPS TV to play games on outdated, underpowered, mass-produced, lowest-common-denominator hardware that is behind the curve six months before it’s even released. You’re not an enthusiast, so you wouldn’t understand.

PC gamers do whatever the fuck they want. 22″ 1080p monitor on a desk? Three 27″ 1440p monitors on a desk? A 50″ monitor on a wall, while sitting on a couch? 100″ projector screens? We do that, too. Want to max out every game you own, and have the money to do it?

You can do that. Want to be thrifty, and build a relatively inexpensive system that will last for 6-7 years, and only upgrade when you absolutely need to? You can do that.

Our open platform allows us to do whatever the fuck we want to do. What you are doing is on the same level as a soccer mom bitching at someone who owns a modified BMW M3 because “you could easily get from point A to point B in a Toyota Prius.” So while you’re enjoying your $400 underpowered console on your 1080p 70″ TV for the next decade, I’m going to be following the cutting edge, and getting the best possible experience for my money on whatever size and resolution screen I want:) •. Perhaps you just have terrible eyesight? Only going to comment on a few REALLY REALLY OBVIOUS things. Most of the shit I’m going to mention happens over and over again, but I’m not going to give you a play-by-play on the whole video. 0:05 – watch the red crane. The cables flicker and disappear on the PS4 version because of a combination of poor resolution and lack of anti-aliasing.

0:20 – looking at the light reflection on the left side of the binoculars shows off the effects of weak hardware once again: the PS4 version is unable to show the detail and texture of the surface of the binoculars as well as the PC version. On top of this, with the PC version you can actually make out the labels underneath the switches, whereas they’re blurred to the point of illegibility on the PS4 version. 0:40 – Once again, the PS4 version has blurry textures, and a lot of aliasing.

The power lines flicker and disappear. The text on the speedometer is blurry and hard to read. Reflections on the hood of the SUV are clearly much lower resolution. 2:50 – Pretty obvious with this close up view of the concrete that the PS4 is using lower resolution textures. 4:03 – Again, obvious low resolution textures on the UMP45. 4:28 – Low resolution reflections on the PS4 the PC version’s superior image fidelity lets you see the texture of the floor in greater detail.

And so on and so forth. The common themes here are: shitty resolution, shitty aliasing, blah blah blah. The best part is: the PC version was probably being played at only 1080p. 1440p is already common among enthusiasts, and those with a lot of cash are already able to pretty easily do 4K. This video is more like PS4 vs.

It doesn’t even showcase how incredibly superior an “expensive” PC would be. Meanwhile the PS4 version has to suffer through no anti-aliasing, low resolution textures and lighting effects, poor texture filtering, and a pathetic 1600×900 resolution. Don’t get me wrong, though: I don’t think consoles are useless. They are perfect for stupid people, lazy people, or poor people. I can afford to own and upgrade a kick-ass computer, and I can also afford to buy both of the consoles if I wanted to.

And consoles are for people who like to blow $400 on a paperweight, and come online to try and justify their shit purchase albeit having no fucking idea what they’re talking about, so they can claim their right to being the biggest fucking retard (a person who has a serious mental and/or physical disability) I literally just linked you to a video showing you that your hardware is inferior on day one, which demonstrates that it’s only going to become increasingly more inferior over time. Your response? Like someone with a serious mental disability. I’m pretty sure we’re done here, retard. Oh come on, that wasn’t even witty. You’re just coming across as an angry, insecure 13 year old who was likely molested as a child, feels guilty about having enjoyed it, and now projects his own emotions onto other people online in order to feel better about his own latent homosexuality. When trying to make a snappy comeback, it’s wise to try to make it somehow relevant to the topic at hand.

As an example, you keep complaining about the price of PCs, which leads me to understand that you are either unemployed, have no talent, or are still a kid living at home. I went with the last option, so I made a quip about your mother not being able to afford more than one console, and on top of that called her a whore. Even if you’re actually an adult, this insult is still effective because I’m claiming you make even less money than a drug-addicted prostitute trying to support a child. Your response wasn’t clever, demonstrated you fantasize about homosexual incest, and wasn’t relevant to the topic.

I suggest you see a psychiatrist. Or at least get mommy to take you to see one. I don’t think it matters that you can’t build a comparable PC for the price of a console when including OS and peripherals. The benefits of a PC make it worth it to spend the extra, as long as you can afford it of course.

Most people have a computer anyway. Instead of getting a decent laptop and a console, why not get a nice desktop and a cheap laptop? Way more flexibility, way more future proof. PCs aren’t for everyone, but I really don’t think $400 is fair for a PC.

But I do see that this is mainly a comparison article. Very inconvenient when you have a 10 month old baby crawling around on the floor trying to turn off the modem and pull out your PC power cord. Not to mention the fact that half the time I’m gaming I have one or the other kid on my lap because I like hanging out with my kids (God forbid).

Seriously, shut up. I hate ignorant assholes that assume they know anything. Everyone has their own reasons for enjoying what they enjoy. Feel free to share your reason for doing what you do, but don’t pretend for one second that your reason, which is personal preference without an ounce of any form of absolute truth, is better than anyone else’s. Some people like PCs.

Some people like consoles. Some people like both. It’s none of your business. Shut up already. Anti-consumerist douchebag. Did I call you names? Did I use profanity?

If that’s the kind of person you are, I genuinely pity your kids for the role model you’re providing them. Something tells me you’re just pissed because you tried to insult my intelligence and realized you failed when I pointed out that the author had indeed, despite the headline, focused on making an comparable system rather than a superior one. But still, that’s no reason to be a jerk and a troll. If I were you, I’d spend less time on the computer (and consoles) neglecting my kids and more time in anger management course and being a better role model. Have you ever set up an HTPC to play games?

Sure, once you’ve gone through the setup process you just turn it on and double click the relevant icon, but there’s a hell of a lot of fucking around to get there. How inconvenient is it to have to plug in a mouse and keyboard, install Windows, configure your network, install antivirus, activate windows, set up graphics card drivers, set up controller drivers, configure sound and graphics settings, install Windows updates, install more windows updates, then install even more windows updates, Install Steam, Origin etc, THEN install games? Pretty fucking inconvenient actually.

Not to mention the time you have to spend researching parts and building the PC itself. When you compare it to the PS4: Plug it in then turn it on, use the control pad to connect to the internet and install any updates. Yeah, no contest really. Of course if you take the time and effort to build a good HTPC it will be far better and do far more than a PS4, but to call people who prefer a console “lazy” is kind of glossing over how much work it actually is to get a good one up and running. If your kids are old enough to play videos on a console. They’re old enough to figure out how to use a PC. I guess what irritates me is.

People in America (yes, I’m assuming you’re in America) complain about having to work three jobs and can’t save and etc etc yet they have to have all the expensive gadgets. I’m in IT and make a really good salary. Yet, I have one 5 year old laptop and a year old smartphone that I got from Verizon for 99 cents because it was last year’s model. When it came out, it was $200.

No consoles no tablets no planned obsolescence crap. I have a 3 year old son and a 10 month old daughter. Thanks for assuming. I don’t have three jobs and I afford my expensive gadgets.

Wealth inequality is ridiculous in America right now. If we want to fix the economy we have to spend money, if we want to spend money we have to have money. The problem is 40% of the US can’t afford crap (they make.2% of the wealth in the US). The poor are lazy argument is just stupid prejudice nonsense so I won’t even address it. Supply and demand are pretty rigid.

If you want people to buy things, they need the money to buy them. When more people buy things, more supply is needed to meet the demand, and more people get jobs. Jobs will always meet the demand of supply unless the cost of selling a product will actually lose the manufacturer money. This is all basic economics. If you want to fix the economy, then the poor need more money.

So you either save a lot of money likely with no real purpose, which is terrible for the economy, or you spend it on other crap you don’t need. Either way, who cares? Don’t judge other people. We need people to buy things right now to fix the economy. Reality exists. Thanks for laying out a good example, Mr. My take has always been that, yeah, it is hard to match dollar for dollar, spec per spec.

But for a couple hundred more you will have a tremendously more powerful machine, easily upgradable, capable of running virtually infinite amounts of third-party software. I have never personally been accused of being a PC snob, but this is where many of us are coming from. We see it as a waste of money to buy a dedicated gaming device when you can have a better, multipurpose, computer for the price of a few premium games. On the other hand, a console is going to require less maintenance. I would wager that a not-insignificant amount of console owners have a PC for other “needs” as well. So, they already have some computer maintenance to do; and they most likely paid a minimum of 300-400 dollars for that PC. (In a family setting, where many people are sharing computers, it can make life simpler to have a console for games and PC for “work.” I still think many folks are shooting themselves in the foot by not choosing a gaming PC which can be used for school/work when the other one, inevitably, has a hiccup.) For a few years, the console had an edge in social gaming, but that has evaporated.

Any social edge it maintains is simply ubiquity. I understand that is a big plus(or minus) for a lot of people. Finally, it does irk me to see so many people falling prey to the power of marketing, or, rather letting marketing do their thinking for them. We are in our third generation of home computing. One would think that computer knowledge would be second nature by now. Yet, I suspect that many are still put off by the seeming complexity of choosing a PC.

This is a marketing success on the part of Sony, Microsoft, and game publishers; this is a marketing failure on the part of PC makers. This is also a failure of critical thinking in society at large. Still, I hope folks enjoy the new gen of consoles! Happy gaming!

Where did you get the “minimum triple” from? The GTX 770 is pretty high end – it’s a $330 GPU after all, and is RIGHT NOW able to utterly kick the shit out of the PS4. The GTX 770 is probably going to last you a good 3-4 years before you start hitting medium settings on games.

The i3 4330 is GOOD ENOUGH right now but certainly not the greatest. I’d say it’d probably last you 2-3 years, depending on the game. Here’s the catch, though: by the time you need to upgrade, the hardware required to continue to outperform the consoles is going to be a LOT cheaper. A $50 mobo, $150 processor, and two $200 GPUs over the course of a console generation seems reasonable and wouldn’t even DOUBLE your costs. Ok so lets count: 600$ initial, 400$ for GPU, 50$ motherboard and 150$ processor = 1200$! PS4 is 400$x3 = 1200$ I love how you proved my point trying to make it look stupid! And thats if you dont upgrade anything else like the RAM or any other component you might want to upgrade over 7 years!

Like for example the cooling system to keep your new GPU cool enough etc. And all your numbers assume that prices will drop. Yes older products become cheap but when you upgrade you dont want the same generation but higher product number after 3-4 years, you want the newest or at least newer gen so Im not sure those prices hold up. But even if they do, your still at triple like I said. You wouldn’t be buying the same generation of hardware specific items don’t really get cheaper over time. You’d be buying lower end hardware from the new generations.

Like as an example, the GTX 770 is $330 and can outperform the $600 GTX 680 from the generation prior. So as an example, you buy a GTX 770 right now to start, and you wait two GPU generations to upgrade, and buy a GTX 950 or something in a couple of years, which despite being a mid end card is still going to be more powerful than your old GTX 770 even though it costs half as much. Of course, that’s if you were actively trying to be frugal at the end of the day, you buy what you can afford, whether it’s because of the size of your wallet, or because you have really low standards for acceptable performance. The point about controllers is quite important.

PC gamers tend to spend at least $100 on their keyboard and $80 on their mouse, and they’re never wireless like the PS4 controller. Most PC gamers have control-pad envy and would not really consider hooking up wireless controllers to play a game. The upright sitting position makes gaming sessions less relaxed than console, and longer sessions can be quite wearing.

I can’t really imagine playing through a story-driven RPG sitting upright at my desk, intently watching the cut-scenes on my computer chair. Yes you get arguably “better” control over games with a keyboard and mouse, but you pay the price in more ways than one. To use a wired KB and mouse, you must be sitting near your computer, generally sitting upright on a computer chair, so in addition to $180 worth of keyboard and mouse, you also need a computer chair, a desk and enough space where you live to fit a desk. These are very significant expenses, especially when you consider that a lot of people live in small apartments in cities with no room for a computer desk.

The desk, keyboard & mouse setup also really restricts multiplayer gaming, making it basically impossible unless you go online. The joy of console games is having 2 – 4 people sitting round the same screen, all enjoying the same game at the same time. Sitting at a desk alone in a room, playing with strangers over the internet might be fun, but it’s not social. Right now, the hardware to get 65fps @ Ultra 1080p will run you about $685 (shipped) alone, or $665 after rebates that are active at the moment. OS + Mouse + Keyboard would cost you another $100 or so on top of that. ($89 for Win7, $11 for a V7 mouse + keyboard combo = $785 or $765 after rebates if you’ve never owned a computer in your life) On top of that, the system will ship with three games if ordered now: Splinter Cell Blacklist, Assassin’s Creed 4, and Batman: Arkham Origins.

On top of THAT, the up front cost of entry into the PC platform is noticeably offset by the fact that there is a huge selection of games that straight up sell for $10 to $20 less than console equivalent at full price. On top of this, humble bundles and Steam sales can get you titles for pennies compared to even used console games on SALE. And finally: once you’ve bought one PC, you won’t ever have to buy a second one – you can just upgrade your existing machine, saving you hundreds down the line when a new generation crops up.

Keep in mind: the PS4 never actually catches up, developers just stop supporting old PC hardware in favor of newer, more powerful stuff. PC gamers tend to be older, have jobs and money, and tend to be enthusiasts rather than casual gamers (. Again, no optical drive, that memory is horrid, and with the OS you’re hitting $800 still. Which is considerably more than $700 and is definitely within the $700 to $800 price range I said previously. Again, the PS4 will outperform that CPU later. Also, arguing that you can simply install Windows on a new PC is nonsense. No you can’t.

Most people get their copy of windows with a pre-built computer. You can’t simply install that on another computer.

So most people would have to buy Windows or pirate it, though most people have no idea how to build a PC anyway. PS+ gives you about $500 worth of value for $50 a year. Much more if you have a Vita and PS3 as well. Obviously you can’t choose which games you want to play, but it’s arguably better depending on the gamer. They have a lot of great games for free on there. Steam doesn’t make the PC better than the PS4.

They both have great services which give you great games for less money. The you won’t ever have to buy a new one statement is laughable nonsense. You’ll have to replace literally ever component except the case, and that’s assuming that motherboards will stay the same form factor forever (which is unlikely, though it will be true for some time). If you have to replace $700 of the $800 of it within the next 5 years to keep a decent gaming PC rig then there’s no reason to make the stupid statement that you don’t have to replace it. The PS4 will run considerably more impressive games at a more stable framerate in 2 years time.

The same cannot be said of that PC. Yes, the PS4 does catch up.

Your statement to the contrary is just pure nonsense.